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  1. Paul Perrin
    05/12/2016 @ 11:38 pm

    I pretty much agree with what you say. My view is

    1) Cameron deliberately had the EURef bill drawn up badly. He oversaw the AVRef bill which was much, much tighter – so he knew exactly what he was doing. This was done as a ‘backstop’ if the referendum was lost it would buy time (or maybe reverse the result). I want to know why (say) Douglass Carswell didn’t pick up this at the time.

    2) Cameron refused to prepare any plans for Brexit specifically to buy even more time, his cabinet (including many of the current cabinet) would have been well aware of this but are complicit and too interested in saving the Conservative party to say anything.

    3) Everything is being set up for Article 50, it is cloud cukoo to think the ’72 act will be used instead. Unless and until every possibility of using Article 50 is exhausted.

    4) We must bring our MP’s to account – I have started a ‘Flash Rally’ project, for an MPs constituents to gather and sign a petition (specifically for their own MP) 12:30-13:00 so in working peoples lunch hour during the week, in the constituency so not far to travel. It would be great if every constituency could rally simultaneously to make a virtual national event. And needing only publicity of the location and date, with no real organisation (1 person in each constituency with a table and petition!) could be held on demand — i.e. immediately before each crucial Brexit debate to remind MP’s who they work for. If they grow, MPs could be summoned to attend personally…

    Best Regards!

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    • Marty Caine
      06/12/2016 @ 1:32 am

      Hi Paul,

      I’ll answer your points in order…

      1) The EU referendum Bill is farcical, when the Remoaners first started with their nonsense I took a much closer look at that Bill, it actually stops on the day of the referendum with nothing whatsoever to show what should happen with the result of that referendum and to think that 517 MP’s actually voted in favour of an incomplete Bill actually shows us really just how bad things have now gotten in British politics. As for Douglas Carswell he is about as UKIP as Diane Abbot so nothing that he does will ever surprise me.

      2) Cameron not only had control of the designated IN campaign he also had control of the designated OUT campaign Vote Leave, so in his mind their was nothing to plan for, as far as he was concerned he would win it if you go onto Twitter and look at the @Vote_Leave timeline, you will not find any victory cheers there.

      3) I personally do not think that protesting or petitioning now will make any difference, the Tories have their plan and I do honestly believe that involves full Brexit in March 2019 as stated above. However if you would like to send me some more information on this ‘Flash Rally’ I will post about it on our members forum and see what people have to say about it. At the moment I have far more concerned about what happens after Brexit in the political world because at the moment it is looking very much like the people will have a choice of Tory-Tory, Labour-Tory, UKIP-Tory, Libdems or one of the smaller parties and I would much rather spend time building DDIP to give them a Direct Democracy party that actually wants to empower the people.

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  2. Jack Thomas
    10/12/2016 @ 1:03 am

    Hi Marty,

    I cannot share your confidence that the Tory plan “involves full Brexit in March 2019 “; we could well end up with a fudge involving continuing membership of the “single market”,which was not what I voted for.

    The use of Article 50 hands control of the process to the EU which is plainly ridiculous. However there might be an alternative. I recall reading that all international treaties may be revoked by a signatory on 12 months notice. It would be worth seeking confirmation of this as it offers the clean exit that we voted for within a reasonable time period.

    Of course all this will become irrelevant if the EU manages to destroy itself; I live in hope.

    Regards,

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    • Marty Caine
      10/12/2016 @ 3:58 pm

      Hi Jack,

      Not sure where this 12 months notice ‘get out of jail card free’ comes from though I have heard some people talk about the Vienna Convention which is a bit of a myth really as the VCLT only covers treaties between individual countries and does not cover intergovernmental organisations such as the EU. In 1983 they extended the VCLT to VCLTIO (no guesses what the IO stands for) unfortunately this is still awaiting ratification and at least three signatures so is not in power and cannot be used. The only legal means of leaving the EU is in fact the Lisbon Treaty Article 50, however to comply with the terms of the treaty it only needs to be invoked and once that is done the repealing of ECA 1972 becomes an immediate valid option. To try to do that beforehand would be insane.

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      • Jack Thomas
        21/12/2016 @ 2:22 am

        Hi Marty,

        Thanks for the response. I guess that the best we can hope for is early triggering of Article50, May fannying about for 2 years until the inbuilt deadline, then simply leaving. If we have to fall back on WTO rules then so be it. I believe that any meaningful negotiation with those in control of the EU is simply impossible.

        However I still think that we should work with the EU-opposing parties in Europe to bring about its demise and remove the possibility of some idiots taking us back in.

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  3. Deirdre Trotman
    16/12/2016 @ 2:38 pm

    Marty (hope I’m allowed to comment even though I haven’t [yet!] signed up) I agree with every word, and cannot understand why Gerald Batten cannot grasp this. My only doubt is whether May will actually go ‘the full Brexit’ – however she’s probably smart enough to know she could get all the ex Labour/potential UKIP voters if she did, so that’s something on our side.

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  4. Steve
    05/03/2017 @ 10:00 am

    the irony is that triggering art 50 is the Lisbon treaty process to withdraw from the EU and Brussels insist we stick to the letter of art 50 with no pre negotiation talks, agreements in principle etc yet Brussels have shown little sign they are going to stick to the letter of article 8 para 1 & 2 nor indeed art 3 para 5 of the same treaty but instead insist on “making us pay, punishing the UK, ” etc which is a prime example of Brussels hypocrisy.

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    • Marty Caine
      05/03/2017 @ 11:13 pm

      It all pretty much irrelevant I think, because the Tories do not want a deal anyway, they only want that two year delay. Article 8 LT will protect us from any unfair tariffs.

      BTW may a congratulate you, it is a rarity to meet anyone who has actually paid any close attention to the Lisbon Treaty.

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